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« on: September 10, 2009, 11:10:32 AM »

Can anyone help?

 About 10 yrs ago I read Matthew Stokoe's Cows. It's an awesome book & I really want to buy a copy & read it again.
The trouble is that it is out of print & the only copies I have found for sale are either £130 new or £25 second hand. A new copy is out of the question as I can't justify £130 on a book & £25 is a lot to pay for a dogeared second hand copy.
Does anyone know any decent online secondhand booksellers or any other way I can get a copy?
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 11:35:48 AM »

does your public library do inter-library loan?
(the u.k. is civilized in these ways?)

local college/high school/university library?



once a week try both

http://bookfinder.com

and

http://ebay.com

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Re: Book Help
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 11:41:12 AM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 11:56:31 AM »


http://bookfinder.com

and

http://ebay.com

Thanks but again £30-70 for a second hand copy.

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 12:04:16 PM »

one of those book trading sites like bookmooch.com
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 12:08:22 PM »

Can anyone help?

 About 10 yrs ago I read Matthew Stokoe's Cows. It's an awesome book & I really want to buy a copy & read it again.
The trouble is that it is out of print & the only copies I have found for sale are either £130 new or £25 second hand. A new copy is out of the question as I can't justify £130 on a book & £25 is a lot to pay for a dogeared second hand copy.
Does anyone know any decent online secondhand booksellers or any other way I can get a copy?

Can you wait a year or so?

http://www.myspace.com/matthewstokoe

"Empty Mile, my third novel, will be published by Akashic books mid 2010. And, for all you Cows fans, Cows will be published by Akashic as a limited edition at the end of 2010 and as a normal paperback in the first half of 2011. Now you don't have to buy the rip-off Creation Books edition."

Sounds like quite a graphic book.
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2009, 12:25:15 PM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 12:26:30 PM »

Can anyone help?

 About 10 yrs ago I read Matthew Stokoe's Cows. It's an awesome book & I really want to buy a copy & read it again.
The trouble is that it is out of print & the only copies I have found for sale are either £130 new or £25 second hand. A new copy is out of the question as I can't justify £130 on a book & £25 is a lot to pay for a dogeared second hand copy.
Does anyone know any decent online secondhand booksellers or any other way I can get a copy?

Can you wait a year or so?

http://www.myspace.com/matthewstokoe

"Empty Mile, my third novel, will be published by Akashic books mid 2010. And, for all you Cows fans, Cows will be published by Akashic as a limited edition at the end of 2010 and as a normal paperback in the first half of 2011. Now you don't have to buy the rip-off Creation Books edition."

Sounds like quite a graphic book.

Thank you!

Allthough I now feel like an idiot for not checking his myspace. It IS a very, very graphic book. Certainly not for everyone. Cannibalism, infanticide & cow sex are the tip of the iceberg. It makes Brett Easton Ellis' American Psycho pale in imagery & is the kind of book Chuck Palahniuk could write if he could really be bothered. It shares a certain narrative style with Palahniuk's Haunted (particularly the "swimming pool masturbation story" at the beginning)
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 12:27:13 PM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.

Went online on the central library site, no copies anywhere!
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 12:30:30 PM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.

Went online on the central library site, no copies anywhere!

The British library has two copies. C'mon, this is what the library service is FOR!
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2009, 12:38:05 PM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.

Went online on the central library site, no copies anywhere!

The British library has two copies. C'mon, this is what the library service is FOR!

Your tax dollars pounds at work...
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Re: Book Help
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2009, 12:48:35 PM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.

Went online on the central library site, no copies anywhere!

The British library has two copies. C'mon, this is what the library service is FOR!

Your tax dollars pounds at work...

Well. Yeah. Public money being spent on a public service - on what level is that not ok?
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2009, 05:42:25 PM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.

Went online on the central library site, no copies anywhere!

The British library has two copies. C'mon, this is what the library service is FOR!


The point is I want to BUY the book!
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2009, 12:44:11 AM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.

Went online on the central library site, no copies anywhere!

The British library has two copies. C'mon, this is what the library service is FOR!


The point is I want to BUY the book!
So get your local library to borrow it from whichever library has it, then... um...

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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2009, 05:48:55 AM »

ye shuld knowe that there is only one book ye shud be a readin...... an thats the Good Book!
all thems other books is the divils work!
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« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2009, 06:30:44 AM »

ye shuld knowe that there is only one book ye shud be a readin...... an thats the Good Book!
all thems other books is the divils work!

obviously,
a devil worshiper,
as any good christian also reads
the book of mormon

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« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2009, 09:52:02 AM »

ye shuld knowe that there is only one book ye shud be a readin...... an thats the Good Book!
all thems other books is the divils work!

Way too far fetched! Any work of fiction should have at least some attempt at believability.
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« Reply #17 on: September 11, 2009, 03:53:35 PM »

CHECK OUT YOUR LOCAL LIBRARY!!

That was the first thing I tried.

Really? Wow. Your library sucks. So no libraries in your entire county have a copy? Cos they can do out-of-county loans. Worse comes to worst, they should be able to ask right up to the British library for a copy.

Went online on the central library site, no copies anywhere!

The British library has two copies. C'mon, this is what the library service is FOR!


The point is I want to BUY the book!
So get your local library to borrow it from whichever library has it, then... um...

"I was driving across the bridge, and I hit a bump, and it flew out the window into the Thames...
Can you send me a bill?"


Srsly, just tell them you've lost it and then pay the fine. It's ok, we know people do it all the time - this way, you can at least read it and then see what the charge is before you decide to buy it, cos you can always bring it back if it costs the same as if you bought it new.
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« Reply #18 on: September 11, 2009, 06:51:59 PM »

ye shuld knowe that there is only one book ye shud be a readin...... an thats the Good Book!
all thems other books is the divils work!


[It should be noted that the other printed matter in the above speaker's rather extensive private library
would be better classified as "glossy magazines" than books, and so he is not really a hypocrite.]
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« Reply #19 on: September 11, 2009, 07:38:52 PM »

By Good book.... I possibly meant the Necronomnomnomnicon
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« Reply #20 on: September 11, 2009, 07:55:25 PM »

By Good book.... I possibly meant the Necronomnomnomnicon

Simon version?
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« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2009, 03:27:09 AM »

that piece of crap? no... I mean the proper fictititious version written by Abdul Al hazred and originally entitled Al Azif

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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2009, 12:50:39 PM »

Thank you!

Allthough I now feel like an idiot for not checking his myspace. It IS a very, very graphic book. Certainly not for everyone. Cannibalism, infanticide & cow sex are the tip of the iceberg. It makes Brett Easton Ellis' American Psycho pale in imagery & is the kind of book Chuck Palahniuk could write if he could really be bothered. It shares a certain narrative style with Palahniuk's Haunted (particularly the "swimming pool masturbation story" at the beginning)

I've read haunted. I think Palahniuk gave a reading of that story and people where physically sick. I remember the second half of "The Torture Garden" (Octave Mirbeau) to be quite sickening. “Cows” might be a bit much for me, especially if it’s the sustained onslaught I think it is.

The most disgusting thing I've read about recently was an historical account of a torture called “Nupta Contagioso.” The article is entitled “The Corpse Bride.” It caught me totally by surprise because it was in a philosophy of Horror book.

http://www.urbanomic.com/CollapseIV.pdf

It begins on Page 75 of the pdf if you’re interested. 

On a related note, Angel Raliel might find a great deal of the rest of the pdf interesting because it is very Lovecraft centric.
 
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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2009, 12:22:13 PM »

Thank you!

Allthough I now feel like an idiot for not checking his myspace. It IS a very, very graphic book. Certainly not for everyone. Cannibalism, infanticide & cow sex are the tip of the iceberg. It makes Brett Easton Ellis' American Psycho pale in imagery & is the kind of book Chuck Palahniuk could write if he could really be bothered. It shares a certain narrative style with Palahniuk's Haunted (particularly the "swimming pool masturbation story" at the beginning)

I've read haunted. I think Palahniuk gave a reading of that story and people where physically sick. I remember the second half of "The Torture Garden" (Octave Mirbeau) to be quite sickening. “Cows” might be a bit much for me, especially if it’s the sustained onslaught I think it is.

The most disgusting thing I've read about recently was an historical account of a torture called “Nupta Contagioso.” The article is entitled “The Corpse Bride.” It caught me totally by surprise because it was in a philosophy of Horror book.

http://www.urbanomic.com/CollapseIV.pdf

It begins on Page 75 of the pdf if you’re interested. 

On a related note, Angel Raliel might find a great deal of the rest of the pdf interesting because it is very Lovecraft centric.
 

I will check out the pdf, thanks

I think with books like Haunted & Cows it comes down to the readers sensiblities.

MINOR SPOILER & MUCH GROSSNESS ALERT

I personally found the dilema faced by the kid in the pool very funny, die in a pool with globs of his own jizz floating around him, with his intestines trailling out of his arse & stuck in the filter pump, or bite through them. It's humour at it's darkest & I suppose it is each to thier own
 Cows is less of a black comedy, it is at heart a satire with a dark heart. It has been compared to Ian Bank's The Wasp Factory. But having read both I can't say they have too much in common. They share a thread of gaining self awareness & finding yourself, but where Bank's novel is carefully plotted & slowly paced until the final reveal, Cow's goes for broke. A story of how the abused becomes the abuser. But Stokoe fills each page with such horrendous acts & describes them with such glee (you will never read any other author spend so much time describing shit) that it becomes comedic, in the same way the overt violence in cartoons becomes comedic. I am not some sicko that gets off on this sort of thing. As disturbing as Cows is, & it really is. Something like Jose Santiago's Blindness is, to my mind way more disturbing because it deals with the dark side of the human condition that dwells in all of us & just what we would be capable of in an extreme circumstance (in his books case a global epidemic of blindness) Cows is a hard read & not for anyone who is squeemish (especially animal abuse) It also has a fractured timeline. But I would highly recomend anyone with a strong stomach to read it.

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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2009, 01:08:48 PM »

Cows is less of a black comedy, it is at heart a satire with a dark heart. It has been compared to Ian Bank's The Wasp Factory. But having read both I can't say they have too much in common. They share a thread of gaining self awareness & finding yourself,

Most things I’ve read that have been disturbing (graphically or otherwise) have had the self-awareness and limitations of experience factor. It’s probably implicit to uncomfortable subjects and a big reason why there is such a divide in what people can bare to read. Some things just seem too unreal to register as an abstract lesson in perceptual issues. I think Satire/humour helps to put the relevance back where it might be lost. i.e. "Laugh so you don't cry."

Cows is a hard read & not for anyone who is squeemish (especially animal abuse) It also has a fractured timeline. But I would highly recomend anyone with a strong stomach to read it.

In principle, I might just consider reading it after your pitch. I’m a bit concerned, though, that it might leave a lot of horrible visuals.
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« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2009, 12:01:09 PM »


Most things I’ve read that have been disturbing (graphically or otherwise) have had the self-awareness and limitations of experience factor. It’s probably implicit to uncomfortable subjects and a big reason why there is such a divide in what people can bare to read. Some things just seem too unreal to register as an abstract lesson in perceptual issues. I think Satire/humour helps to put the relevance back where it might be lost. i.e. "Laugh so you don't cry."


I think most authors that deal with extreme or graphic imagery allways have the safety net of that particular character not bieng "normal" Patrick Bateman (American Pyscho) mental breakdown, Vaughan (Crash) death obsessed control freak, The Binewski's (Geek Love) carnival freaks. The authors allow the reader the comfort that these are "abnormal" people & therefore thier "abnormal" behaviour is rendered shocking but palitable. Interestingly the character of Miss Lick in Geek Love blurs those boundaries, a character who, from the outside is perfectly normal & respectable, yet capable of horrific deeds.
 For any form of fiction, be it novel or film, unless thier is a rationale in the writing for the imagery, the acts lose thier potency. The shock comes from an understanding (allbeit a partial one in most cases) of what is happening & more importantly why. Cow's suceeds where a lot have failed. The repetative assaults on taste & decency do not lose thier impact as the central characters are so well written. Where as if you take the flipside & look at an example of a failure of the extreme it loses all impact. Take for example August Underground's Mordum. A film so utterly repugnant in imagery it has become imfamous in the Underground Horror circuit. A faux snuff movie (second part of a trilogy) where from the moment the film starts the viewer is assaulted with scene after scene of the most offensively brutal, sadistic depravity ever seen. In the first 20 minutes the viewer is witness to incest, castration, vomiting, the felating of a severed dick, wound sex, necrophillia & so on. The next 70 minutes continues with even more extreme scenes. The problem is, devoid of any real plot (there is a vague sick 3 way incestous love triangle) the viewer becomes numb to the violence. Without point or purpose & without relief if becomes hollow & unenvolving. The same could be said for a book I read years ago about Gilles de Rais (can't remember the title as it was godawful) which was just a jumble of assorted depravities with no narrative order. It failed to connect or affect.
 Books like Cow's disturb because at some level we can all see it as a mirror reflecting the dark side of humanity.
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